Wed 19 Jan 2011
Service with a Shrug
Posted by Clare under Customer Service Ireland, Drogheda Ireland, Expats in Ireland, Irish economy
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Today I went into a big-box sports shop in town looking for a pair of running shoes. I saw a few pair I liked and stood near them, waiting patiently for one of the two sales clerks who loitered nearby to assist me. After a few minutes of being stared at, I did a little hand up gesture, the polite and non-verbal “oi” to let them know I needed help. No reaction. One of them, a young woman, walked over to me (or so I thought) but then passed and started arranging shoes on the very shelf I was standing next to. “Excuse me,” I said. She turned, pretended not to hear me (there was just no way she didn’t unless she was legally deaf) and walked away. She then strolled over to a boy, no more than 10-years-old who stood about 5 feet away from me and asked him, “You doin’ all right there?” She then turned again and started to walk toward me, and again I said, “Hi, excuse me…” but my words hung in the air like one of those cartoon bubbles of text as she passed me by, again ignoring me.
I’ve touched briefly on customer service (or the lack, thereof) in Ireland before, but I think it’s time for a full-blown rant. To be frank: I’m fed up. Even after over 10 months of living in Ireland, I’m still taken aback by the blatant disregard for customers around here. For a country in the depths of a dismal recession, I’m surprised that businesses are still ignoring the need for better customer service. The big-box stores are especially guilty of this. Almost every time I’m in the check-out line at Dunnes, I’m standing there, waiting while two register clerks exchange weekend gossip, completely ignoring the fact that there are numerous customers waiting to get on with their lives. Thankfully Tesco offers a self-checkout line, which I always use as I am over the slow and often rude service there.
Speaking of Tesco, a while back I went looking for an alternative to corn syrup – a common baking ingredient in the United States. I found a bottle of glycerin in the baking isle, but wasn’t quite sure what it was. I asked a clerk and got only a puzzled look and an “I don’t know.” It was clear the clerk wasn’t going to assist me further, so I asked if there was someone else there who might know. “You can ask her,” he said, pointing to another clerk half-way across the store. I asked her, and got the same, “I don’t know.” When I asked her if anyone there would know, she laughed and said, “I don’t know. You should Google it.” Believe it or not, this was the second time in Ireland where I’ve been told to Google something by someone whose job description requires them to know something about the products they sell. I wanted to retort, “Why don’t YOU Google it, you miserable cow!” but of course I didn’t.
Earlier this week I went to buy a calling card at the bookstore where I purchase one nearly every other week. That day, they were out. And no one knew when they’d get more in and no one offered to check. When I asked if someone could find out, the answer was a shrug and a “no one knows.” An exasperated glare from the salesclerk was enough to let me know that this was the end of the line for my inquiry. What’s amusing about the sad state of customer service in Ireland is that everyone acknowledges it’s a problem; my Irish friends readily admit that this country has a reputation for lazy, incompetent customer service. Stranger still is that most people just accept it as something they can do nothing about. WRONG. To business owners and managers: There are a lot of out-of-work people in Ireland who would be happy to take the job of an insolent, inept employee that’s currently doing nothing for your business. Providing good service to clientele is a simple, cheap and effective way to increase profits. To consumers: Don’t be afraid to speak up. Demand better service. File a complaint. Choose to spend your hard-earned money at places where you’re treated with care and respect.
As for those running shoes I needed, I went to a local shoe store and was assisted by a very honest and friendly saleswoman. I bought the shoes, even though they were €12 more than the price of the big-box store. Let me tell ya, it was the best €12 I ever spent.
I know exactly how you feel. I’ve been living in Ireland for around a year or so.. moved here from Arkansas and I have never been so annoyed by customer service! I love your blog.. I find it funny I am not the only one that encounters the things that you write about!
We do indeed have terrible customer service (in fact it is almost non-existent). Dunnes Stores is in my opinion the worst culprit – I too have experienced on several ocassions the checkout staff gossiping with each other whilst bundling my shopping across the scanner with complete disinterest. I hardly ever get a ‘hello’ or ‘thank you’ or ‘please’ from them. I hand money to them and yet they put my change on the conveyor belt without even looking at me or a single word. I have never experienced this in UK supermarkets and from holidays in the US it is very clear that they are streets ahead in the customer service stakes. I find people here are very reluctant to complain or raise awareness of an issue – if fact on occasion I have felt that people were embarassed by it.
This is so right on!
Also, what’s with the checkers at grocery stores being able to sit all day?
I grew up working in retail and had to stand for the full 8 hours. We couldn’t even lean on things. We were told, “if you can lean, you can clean!”.
“Why don’t you Google it?”
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHHAAAA * stops to breathe * HAAAAAAHAAA!!!
That is TOO funny. Except, in reality, it’s not funny at all. Bad service makes my blood BOIL. The Tescos near us must be the worst place in the world to work as the staff are always so miserable and do not know where anything is. I always get the “I don’t know” answer. It’s incredible to me.
I loathe bad service in restaurants too. Loathe it. Makes me crazy. It’s making me mad just thinking about it!
I feel your pain here. Also, I would like to say that, as a native Droghedean, I feel we are in a particularly bad town re customer service (I feel I can say this with authority as I am involved in mystery shopping) which is ALWAYS at its worst in the multiples. I always try to go to a smaller, locally owned shop for anything I want to buy eventhough it is often more expensive. If we want to sustain local trade we must all do this. As I have mentioned, I grew up in Drogheda and one of the things that saddens me most is West St. My own family had a business here for years and was surrounded by other small businesses. The street was a hub of local activity- the excitement of walking through West St on a Saturday (after the market) as a child was huge. Going for a club orange and a bun was the highlight of the week! Now, I rarely go for a stroll around town just for “a potter”.
Sophie: Where in Arkansas are you from? Believe it or not, I lived there for 2 years as a child! In Cherokee Village, near Ash Flat.
TheGlutton: I know!? It’s maddening!! I have on many occasions tried to have a friendly little chat w/clerks, like “busy day today?” and they just look at me like I’m an alien.
Rach: I find that hilarious as well. I worked retail throughout high school and was on my feet all day, juggling multiple tasks. And even though I was just a teen I always topped regional sales for the stores I worked for, and I wasn’t even making commission! PRIDE in work is important…
Aoife: Makes my blood boil too. There is no excuse for bad service, NONE. I won’t go back to restaurants that can’t get their service right. Plenty of other places to spend my moolah!
Tara: Yes, West St. is very sad and the customer service at the big-name shops there is horrendous. I am choosing to go to the farmer’s market on Fridays, where the service is always great, and to local places like Traders Coffee Shop, Kirwan’s Fish Cart, Tuite’s Butchers, etc.
that would be a good slogan for the country:
We’re Ireland: Google it.
Love it!!
I hear ya. More than once I’ve been in a bookshop, asked them to order me something (because I wanted to give them the sale!) and been told “Why don’t you try Amazon or Play.com? Our order system is hard to use.” Oh, ok then.
Clare,
HALLELUJAH for bringing this to light and getting the conversation started!!!
I remember first meeting you and thinking about how “assertive” you were when it came to such matters. It reminded me of how I was in the first two years of living here and inspired me to get back on it!
Now when I go to Superquinn and find 2-3 items out of date for over 2 weeks or to SuperValu where they have been known to just “be out of” milk for two days (the answer is a shrug and a “I don’t know”), I don’t let it go. I make a complaint. One HUGE thing that happens especially at Tesco is being charged more than the listed price. That happens to me nearly every time I shop there. They now have a rule that if they get it wrong you get it for free. I don’t usually go to the trouble of going to customer service for that, but I do call it out each time.
This is all thanks to you putting me back in the saddle!
The bar for customer service in the USA is so above and beyond most other countries in the world so we already come in with very high expections, but things like greeting a customer should be number one on a business owners list!
When the new Marriot opened in Limerick, there was a quote in the local newspaper where an Irish person commented that it bothered him that the staff seemed “too American-ised because they were so friendly and said “have a nice day”. I find it appalling that they printed such a thing!
Omg, I am so sorry, now I am ranting!
Clare, I’m sorry you’ve had these experiences. I am glad you were brave enough to write about it here because as The Glutton said above, a lot of it is that people are afraid or embarrassed to mention these things and that’s why it doesn’t change.
So good on you!!!
Imen x
Clare, I am from Rogers in northwest Arkansas 🙂 I love it here but gosh do I miss the customer service! I thought Boston was bad… phew was I wrong! Keep the blogs coming- I loooove reading them as they prove that I am not the only one that notices these things here!
The truth hurts but I’m enjoying your comments on service in ireland which can be horrible and borderline rude at times. Nothing worse than meeting a surly cheerless visage at a checkout or being ignored in a shop.
US Customer service is unmatched and we’ve much to learn from you in that department. However i think Irish consumers are waking up and they will no longer accept poor service. There are fantastic small shops run by knowledgable friendly and helpful people so seek them out in your area and support local butchers, green grocers, bakers etc ahead of the multiples.
Good for you.
Yep, customer service is horrendous. From where I’m standing, I believe the problem is that so few Irish people actually want to be seen to be good at, or interested in, their job.
It’s almost as if the money they get at the end of their week is a constitutional right, and doing anything to justify taking those wages would be like prostrating yourself before your employer.
Then there’s the inept management. So many managers have graduated from that same *lycee* of indifference and apathy which the junior staff now occupy.
I see the type of customer service in my office, where I’m neither a manager (inept or otherwise) nor an apathy-filled, clock-watching waste of space. Clients are treated with contempt – and nobody realises that (a) they’re a finite resource, and (b) that they may, y’know, talk to someone who could potentially be a customer down the link.
Incredible.
If there’s one crumb of comfort, it’s that when I do get round to starting up my own business, a time which is approaching steadily but remains a hazy vision way down the tracks, my level of customer service – integrity, respect, helpfulness – will stand out so far from the crowd that the profits will roll in immediately.
Or something like that.
With some honorable exceptions (Great Outdoors in Dublin, Cotswold Outdoors in Belfast) service for shoes and clothing is brutal here, in my experience. So I just buy as much as possible (ie almost everything) online.
And use the automated tills for groceries.
So I’ve hugely improved by shopping experience – by cutting out any face-to-face dealings with other human beings. Nice!
Yes that day at Great Outdoors was probably one of the best customer service experiences I’ve had here in Ireland. And I love my boots! 🙂 X
Thank you for writing this Clare (and hooray for Victor Dwyer)! Yep, things are pretty bad here. So much so that I fall over myself to be nice to staff who are nice to me in an effort to keep things up!
M&S are a pleasant exception on the supermarket front (at least in the Jervis branch) and I’m definitely factoring service more into my shopping/eating out decisions these days.
Forever 21 has been great since it opened in December – again probably because its staff had American-style training – long may it last! On the flipside, I’ve had a couple of horrid experiences in new cafes around town recently – a real disappointment.
This is a major issue in Ireland. The first time I visited the U.S. and was ‘greeted’ on entering a GAP store I thought wtf. It took me a couple of trips to get used to the difference in levels of customer service but it is nice to be acknowledged and it is nice to know that if you ask for something not on the shelf that a staff member will at least attempt to locate it for you.
I worked in retail through college and beyond and I was always very helpful, it was my job afterall right? In some of those jobs I had excellent customer service training and in others I had none but it was up to me to decide if I wanted to do that job as well as I possibly could. I decided that I would, why not? How much fun can it be to stand around with a sour puss on you all day long?! When I reached management level my staff always knew that customer service was the number 1 priority and because I made it mine so did they. I also found that being friendly and polite with my team made them want to do well for the store and so they were happy to provide the best service that they could. This in turn led to happy customers who returned regularly.
Because I know how easy it is to offer good customer service I regularly complain if I feel service is particularly bad. Lately if I go to a restaurant and it is apparent in the 1st few minutes that the service is poor I leave, even if I have been seated and am reading the menu. I do feel embarrassed when I do it but why should I spend my money to sit and have my dining experience blackened because someone else is in a bad mood?
The current economic climate is the perfect time for companies to investigate and rectify service levels. If they really want to increase sales they need to put in place the right attitude at ground level and stop trying to improve turnover with spreadsheets and growth charts.
Beth: I’ve had the same thing happen to me as well. Can you imagine the owner’s horror if he/she knew employees were sending customers to other stores/websites???
Imen: Isn’t it hilarious that some people are offended by friendly service? While I don’t like being harassed by salesclerks (sometimes in the states they follow you around, asking every 5 minutes if you need help – annoying!) I think a nice greeting and a few friendly words is a GOOD thing. Kudos to you for taking a stand!
Sophie: We just have to speak up! 🙂
John: I agree that there are a good number of mom-and-pop shops that offer great customer service. Those places will get my business.
Shane: Business owners have such a great opportunity to stand out in the customer service department. It amazes me how many places in Drogheda have a known rep for bad service…the few that offer great service are well-known because they stand out!
Catherine: I’m with you on M&S. They do cost more but I’m happy to pay it because they are always friendly and helpful (and often they’ll even bag groceries for you!). At Dunnes, I’ve had a cashier toss a bag AT me. Nice, right?
LikeMaUsedToMake: Good for you!! And you make a great point re attitude; being a sourpuss all day is only going to make you and everyone else miserable. I always found that my day went faster when I was enjoying the experience vs. being a miserable git.
Well, you shoulda seen it in the boom years when shops didn’t really need your custom.
Having said that if I was in a shop where I and the employee serving me both knew they were in a low-paid, crappy job I would far rather they were just quiet and efficient rather than putting on some fake smiley attitude.
Quiet and efficient would be perfect. Here it is just incompetent, unhelpful and rude.
Clare,
I find customer service way better across the border in the North especially in restaurants and smaller stores. They actually seem to like their customers. I am in NY at the moment and the service in Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s is unbelievable. The staff seem to actually like their jobs and like to work. Everybody stands at their register and packs your bag and talks to you while doing it.
It’s not just Ireland, either… when we were in London last year, we waited paitently for a table in a restaurant with no one acknowledging us, then seated ourselves and waited for a menu as the staff served everyone around us. We couldn’t even make eye contact! We finally left after about 20 minutes of this, which was not easy considering we had the baby to deal with as well. I took it upon myself to stop a waitress on the way out and inform her of my displeasure, to which she rudely shrugged and said, “You should have ordered at the bar.”
It still makes me furious!!!
Sooo true. What is sad about this situation is that Ireland *can* do customer service so well. I live quite near Sheridans Cheese warehouse in Meath, and even though they’re not always in the actual warehouse, they come rushing out of the office, always pleased to see you, with a massive smile. And they’re so knowledgable too. I wish all Irish stores had the same attitude.
I’ve been following your blog for a while now and I love it. I’ve lived in Ireland for 2 1/2 years now – we moved here from Washington DC. Having a sense of humor really helps with the lack of customer service here! My current pet peeve is getting business people to call back – it can take several phone calls and a few days to get a letting agent with houses on the market for months to call you back. And I’ve never to fall for “ah, leave it with me” if something can’t be taken care of right away. I’ll admit, as Americans we are spoiled. But it’s just so painfully obvious that good customer service will give you an edge over a competitor.
Oops – I meant I’ve learned never to fall for “ah, leave it with me”
Just found your blog – also an ex-pat living in Nenagh and blogging! Great blog and posts – I’ll definitely be following now.
Thank you!!
Brendan: Oh how I miss Trader Joe’s! I think they have the perfect customer service balance; they don’t bug you but they’ll check in once in a while to see if you need any assistance.
Maryann: Good for you that you said something!
EnglishMum: I find the smaller companies here are much better at customer service. I went to Woodie’s today and, as usual, it was a total JOKE. I’m currently on the prowl for a locally-owned hardware store in Drogheda.
Christine: AGREED! I don’t understand why businesses here just don’t get it.
Gotta say Clare, I completely agree. Having spent pretty much all my working life in the service industry I was q
(sorry hit the wrong button) quite shocked by the level of service here and the attitude of ‘sure, that customer won’t mind’. I do love the Irish, but sometimes the laid back approach just isn’t good enough.
I think it’s beyond laid-back, it’s downright careless at times! It still shocks me…
Ireland is so bad. Tesco has mixed reviews, 90% of the time I am treated ok, and then there is that 10% that makes me think I never want to shop here again!
My co-worker was in there just last week, and she went in to get cereal only, she can only get this particular cereal in tesco so her shopping was only 3 boxes of it, so went to the self check out till..she found the cereal wouldnt scan, asked for help…after 30 minutes of the assistant asking her manager etc she was told she couldnt buy it? Seemingly it wasnt on their system? Very bad!!!
OMG I would have been so irritated! I find it odd that there doesn’t seem to be a solutions-driven approach to things like your friend’s cereal problem. In US stores there is always a “blank” bar code where a store manager can type in the product and price manually if necessary. A simple solution!
I know, you would think they would have just keyed in the code manually? My Co worker was shocked, she even asked “so I cant buy this” “Is this meant to be a supermarket”? “do you sell food” hahaha unbelieveable!
I hear you about customer service. I moved to Ireland from the US over 10 years ago and I found it to be severely lacking. However, I think it has improved a little in the time that I’ve been here. I know that might seem difficult for some here to believe but that’s been my experience. The wif went to Australia in 2000-01 and she remembers when she came back that she was shocked at how bad the CS had gotten when she came back and that was only 1 year.
When I was in high school, I worked at Jersey Mike’s and we had good CS drilled into us. The general teaching was that anyone can make a sandwich but not everyone may provide good CS. When I first moved here, I thought with increased business there would be increased competition and, with that, more of an effort on the customer service front. The reality was that the Celtic Tiger made most businesses too complacent.
Maybe it’s just Dublin but I think CS has improved since the downturn. It’s definitely been ramped up in the US. Last time we were there, the wif was practically hounded by a member of staff at a shoe shop. She couldn’t get out of there fast enough. I think most people tend to prefer the happy medium of good, friendly service without someone trying to love your shadow.
I wandered over from theantiroom – I agree that some of the time customer service in Ireland is pretty shoddy, but I don’t think you have any idea what it’s like to work in somewhere like Dunnes, Penneys, Tesco et al.. I’ve worked in a lot of crappy jobs in this country (with waitressing probably the most physically exhausting) but my stint in Dunnes was one of the worst. I suppose you’d consider me part of the minority, a checkout girl who was polite and efficient? I had customers, paticularly older people who wanted someone to talk to, who’d seek me out during their weekly shop so I assume I was doing something right..
As a place to work, Dunnes is horrible. Management barely contain their contempt for lower workers, you only get your hours a week in advance (and trying to switch hours is considered a mortal sin), if you are a minute late clocking in expect a lecture but also expect to only be signed off your till at the hour your shift ends, or after, and bag your till and bring it to the cash office on your own time. As for the joy of sitting down for a ten hour shift – bullshit. I would much rather not be chained to a till, listening to customers complain about things I have no power to change, having to ask permission to go to the bathroom, repetitively scanning, getting bruised from banging off the shelves beneath the till every time my chair turns. To me at least, the problem of staff attitude stemmed from management. Like anywhere else, they set the atmosphere of the work environment, and the best places I’ve worked may have been hard work, but at least if you’re treated fairly you dread the beginning of a shift less.. Dunnes know there is an almost endless supply of workers who will fight for temporary contracts(with few rights..) and every worker is replaceable, and it certainly feels that way to work there.
If you want to see entitlement and laziness in Ireland, take a glance into any civil service office. I’ve worked there also, and did far, far less for a lot more than minimum wage.
As for a worker in Tesco not knowing uses for glycerin – are you serious? Do you really expect every worker in Tesco to know the use for every single thing in stock? They are being paid to put things on shelves, scan your items, mop the floors – to me it seems it’s your responsibility to figure out what to do with what you buy.
Sonambula: I think the post makes it clear that I agree it starts with management. Whether it’s treating their employees better or training them better or both, I agree that it needs to start at the top.
My Tesco observation was that no one made even a bit of effort to try and help me figure out what the product was. And yes, they should know the products they sell or at least TRY to. It’s very common for a customer to ask a shop clerk how to use a product – happens all the time. I’m sorry for your terrible Dunnes experience, but I think you’re missing the point.
I agree staff should know what they’re trying to sell – if that is part of their job description. However in the case of Tesco or any other supermarket, I don’t think it would be possible to be familiar with all the products, or the substitutions for products not common in one’s country. It seems a little unreasonable to expect it. They SHOULD have been polite about your question and attempted to find what you were looking for, but I think, in general, people on both sides of the counter need to learn a little politeness..
As for a replacement for corn syrup, if you haven’t found a substitute, I believe fructose syrup (try health food stores) may work, depending on your recipe?
Hi,
Just seeing this post now but boy, oh boy, did you hit the proverbial nail on the head! I have lived in Ireland since 2001 (from Boston) and the poor customer service at first shocked me and then angered me. I thought things might change now we’re in the great depression here but no….not at all! The exceptions are my local Centra and Supervalu – they are filled with lovely, helpful people. Otherwise, it’s a joke.
Lyle’s syrup will work when corn syrup is called for.
Cheers.
You go girl!!
I am regularly exasperated by awful service in shops – to the extent that I phone friends to tell them about good service!!