Fri 21 May 2010
Macho Doesn’t Prove Mucho
Posted by Clare under Drogheda profiles, Irish small town, living in Ireland, Moving to Ireland
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The next generation: boys around town
I hopped into a taxi in town the other day, and in the back seat was a gigantic bouquet of long-stemmed roses.
“Aw, you shouldn’t have!” I proclaimed. The driver laughed and told me that the flowers were for his wife. He’d been “a bad boy” the evening before and said his wife would certainly forgive him after being presented with such a bouquet. Though he didn’t specify exactly what he did, he mentioned something about a lads’ night out and that he’d been in trouble before. “But if I know my wife, these will do the trick!” he said, with complete confidence.
I notice this dynamic – the misbehaving lad and the nagging wife/girlfriend – is a very common one here in small-town Ireland. In any given group of lads at any given pub, there will be talk of the girlfriend or wife who will inevitably be upset with the boyfriend or husband who is a) drinking too much; b) flirting too much with other women; c) staying out too late; or d) all of the above. If one of the lads gets a text or phone call from his partner, the rest of the group will uproariously pressure him to ignore the call. If he actually takes the call, he will be chastised for the rest of the evening and worse, the girlfriend or wife who is calling will be branded as a nag.
While out to dinner with a female friend recently, she pointed to all the couples in the restaurant and said, “Look at all of them. The girls make the lads take them out for Sunday lunch; otherwise the lads would be watching football or out with their friends all weekend.”As I looked around, I saw a sea of beleaguered boyfriends begrudgingly eating their meals as their better halves sat alert, ready to shoot down any attempt to cut short the obligatory date night. Perhaps my perspective was tainted by my friend’s vocal sentiment but I did see some hard evidence. The guy at the table next to us was in sweatpants (tracksuit bottoms), a ratty t-shirt and flip-flops while his girlfriend was in a nice dress and full make-up. Maybe there was a perfectly reasonable explanation for this but it seemed as if the lad had been forcibly removed from the couch and taken against his will to the restaurant.
This sort of Neanderthalian behavior seems to be perfectly acceptable and even encouraged around small-town Ireland. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard the phrase, “Men will be men” as an excuse for bad conduct (actually it should be “boys will be boys” because there’s nothing manly about this type of immaturity). This need to identify with these traditional but outdated gender roles seems common around here, though there are occasional glimmers of progress. In a recent “Man on the Street” column in the local paper, people were asked to name the one thing they could not live without. Among the typical answers like “chocolate” and “beer” was the surprising response of “my wife” from a local man. I can just imagine the fallout from such a statement; I’m certain this man endured weeks of teasing from his mates and maybe even earned himself a new – and unflattering – nickname.
My small-town Ireland: Drogheda
However, all this posturing doesn’t necessarily reflect what goes on behind closed doors. Much like the taxi driver, these disobedient boyfriends and husbands have no problem groveling for forgiveness or being the doting partner – so long as no one else is watching. These private shows of submission are undoubtedly what make the public displays of defiance easier to accept…or at least that is what I choose to believe. Logically it would save time, effort and emotional turmoil if relationships were approached as a partnership rather than a stint in purgatory (men) or an overwhelming fix-it project (women). But these roles seem almost instinctive; they appear to be as much a part of the Irish small-town fabric as pubs and farms. Whether this is good or bad is a matter of opinion, but truth be told it doesn’t make the idea of dating here very appealing to this outsider. Still, I am well aware that there are always exceptions to the rule.
This is so true, I constantly hear my friends at their boyfriends and the shock that everyone gets when I tell them that my fella is at home while I’m out or vice versa and we don’t get annoyed with each other, its just a simple ‘have a nice night, see you tomorrow if you feel up to it’. I don’t feel any need to nag or to have to spend every waking minute with my other-half, seeing him at the weekends make us appreciate each other more and if either of us has to go away/isn’t feeling well, its grand because you know you’ll see them the next weekend, but I know alot of people don’t get how relaxed we are like that – your post makes me see that the ‘norm’ of most people I know isn’t such a norm but an Irish quirk.
An interesting post. Interactions between men and women in different cultures would make a great paper for a student to write. It would be a great learning experience. But one thing remains constant, a woman more often than not appreciates a bouquet of roses from her other half, just so long as no one is wearing any rose-colored glasses 🙂
Gee Gee: So bummed I didn’t get to really talk with you yesterday at Bord Bia event! I’m relieved that I am not the only person who sees the strange dynamic here! It makes me feel less crazy that an Irish person actually sees it too!
Denise: That wouldn’t be a paper, that would be a dissertation!!
I read this post this morning, and mulling it over throughout the day has provided a welcome diversion from my studies!
I think it’s a fair observation, and when I think about the couples I know some of them definitely fit this mould. I don’t think it’s just the young male group dynamic that’s at fault though: in my experience, it’s only the guys going out with ‘naggy’ girlfriends that get bantered for paying them attention. The rest of them can do what they like without comment.
So why would someone go out with a naggy girlfriend? I think it comes down to another character I’m sure you’ve met on your travels, the Irish Mammy, who cooks the dinner, washes the clothes and nags to high heaven. But aren’t her boys just the apple of her eye!
Sooo funny, Clare. I noticed that, too. I dated 2 Irish men in chicago. They seemed a little more adept in their knowledge of the American dating culture. Still, I don’t see myself dating another any time soon (though you can’t beat the accent)!
Aisling: Soooo true about the Irish mammies, or grannies even. It’s a real disservice to raise men who are incapable of cooking, cleaning or doing laundry because it’s always been done for them. Straight from mam’s house to mine? NO THANKS!
Megan: I’ll trade the accent for a bit of respect, lol…
Clare – We’ll meet at the next foodie day 😀